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[足球] 庆祝尤文回归意甲

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发表于 2007-5-20 11:08 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
昨天晚上看了一场没有视频的文字直播,不停的刷新就是90分钟里我唯一做的事情.终于比赛的结果让人很满意.赢了!!!!!尤文回来了,意甲我们又见面了.
PS:作为尤文最忠实的球迷.我只想说.我爱你尤文
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-5-20 11:11 | 显示全部楼层
09/05/2007 16.49
Looking 'Inter' Calciopoli – A Juve Fan Wants Justice
对国米电话门的看法—一个尤文球迷渴望公平

                               前言:
关于电话门事情已经过去一个漫长的赛季了。我们很多人仍然在等待着答案和一个理由,也许,这是意大利足球史上最大的足球丑闻了。

现在很多疑问开始转变,究竟谁才是犯罪的主角:谁欺骗了大众?Goal.com的读者及尤文图斯球迷Andrea Casula进行了深入研究调查后指出,国际米兰才是这次事件的主角,电话门不仅仅是黑白军团造成的……

注意:文章作者和Goal.com没有任何关系。



    自从意大利著名体育报头条出现的有关尤文、米兰、拉齐奥、佛罗伦萨、国米(不错,是国米)以及所谓的“高层”控制着意大利顶级联赛以来,时间已经过去十二个月。我们都知道在此期间发生了什么,虽然有些东西我们也很困惑。但我们全然了解了最后的结果。  

    然而,很少有人知道这件事情的真实原因以及幕后的操纵者。通过翻阅媒体积攒了一年多的新闻档案终于揭露了他们其中有太多肮脏的交易、有太多不为人知的阴谋,公众还被蒙在鼓里。对尤文的坚定和热情让我们必须追根究底,正因为如此,我写下此文。以让大家看清“高层”的丑恶嘴脸。

    我们必须把所有的材料都翻出来,这些材料很清楚地说明整个事件是个龌龊的阴谋。首先,我们应该先罗列一下事件的主角以及他们在“电话门丑闻”中的作用。我不想再占用大家的记忆来提起莫吉和加里亚尼,因为现在他们对足球有所了解的人来说已经是耳熟能详的人物了。

    反而我要提起一些在他们背后的人--他们躲在阴暗的角落做着不为人知的事情,公众并不了解这些人物。这些电话门丑闻背后的大人物属于三个组别。所以我们现在开始详细了解这些组别不为人知的影响力。

     第一组是elecom Italia,意大利著名的电话网络运营商,它旗下有TIM,它的子公司由Ronaldo Fen meno打广告。这个公司的老板是所谓的Mr. Tronchetti Provera( 特隆切蒂)。     特隆切蒂是一名终生的国米球迷,也是国米重要的股东。他和Telecom Italia是国米最主要的投资者。事实上,特隆切蒂经营的轮胎公司恰恰是国米几十年以来的胸前广告赞助商Pirelli。

    第二组是媒体。因为有很多股东和记者牵扯进来,所以最好按照媒体从属关系给他们分个组。报纸方面例如《罗马体育报》、《全体育报》、《意大利信使报》和 《米兰体育报》这些负责向公众传递所谓的新闻,报道所谓的事情真相以及散布所谓的传闻证据,这些东西一直充斥于去年的丑闻事件中。

    特别是《米兰体育报》(在意大利被讽刺为国米的《米兰体育报》,虽然有很多蓝黑球迷不愿意承认)事实上很大程度受莫拉蒂家族的资助。

    然后是第三个集团--国际米兰足球俱乐部以及它的代理人,它被莫拉蒂家族拥有和操纵,有广泛的关系网。他们和特隆切蒂通信集团的密切联系,以及在印刷和电视业的巨额投资使得莫拉蒂在过去的两年间成功的组织并策划了一场类似政界中政变的行动。

    如何?莫拉蒂的长时间偷听别人的电话可是违法的,这些录音网罗了竞争对手到裁判界的大部分人士,还有国米的球员和国米的高层--里面的全部录音超过100,000条之多。

    国米的管理层蓄意将这些录音交给地方法官,以此打压他们的竞争对手。这些录音被送到都灵、罗马和那不勒斯的地方法院,不管是否有用。

    所有三个地方的法官对这些录音都作了回应,他们有所反应并没有错。只能说莫拉蒂的阴谋远不止这样险恶。录音还被交到新闻媒体手中,可想而知,之后国米的奸邪计划就更加明目张胆了。

    媒体的鼓噪逼使意大利足协开始调查,并且暂时撤销了那些牵涉其中的官员的职务(现在大部分已经复职),当然这些不能完全暂缓和控制调查的结果(事实上他们并没有牵涉其中)。

    这次足协的变故,使Guido Rossi(罗西)进入了人们的视野。罗西成为调查委员之后不受限制地任人唯亲,挑选了所谓地“陪审团”。罗西挑选的那些同事们在三周时间内就对长达一年的这件体育弊案进行判决。说起来他和“电话门事件”不无关系,当然意大利足协忽视了他,罗西也是国米俱乐部的主要投资者,这名前国米代表仅仅在这个赛季之前还骄傲地坐在莫拉蒂的身旁一起观看球赛。

    “调查”带出了更多的东西:我们都记得Maseratti是尤文图斯好意送出的礼物(但没有确认数字,样式的号码,接受者,甚至汽车的颜色也没有提及)。我们记得那些没有被确定结果的所谓直达电话。我们记得意大利税务局代理商进入了尤文图斯总部和卡纳瓦罗的家,寻找现款转会的非法证据,当然什么也没找到。

    但我们是否都还记得这个被发现的电话谈话?在电话里法切蒂要求Pairetto和Bergamo(裁判指定者)确定谁是执法?为了防止一些事件被忘记,天空体育公开采访了Bergamo,他承认没有哪个委员比法切蒂要求他的更多。

    实际上,法切蒂甚至有时会到Bergamo的家中进餐,我们还发现国际米兰使用假护照维护外籍球员(从来没被调查),我们还发现国米进行了欺骗性的清算帐目活动(也从来没被深入调查),最后这些细节未能被罗西选择调查,因为他认为他们是“可取”的。

    不到一个月后,国米获得了意甲冠军,无论怎样,他们在调查结束前两天获得了冠军,当调查一结束,每个人除了国米都宣判有罪,最严重的就是对尤文处罚,但最后,仅仅唯一被证明的比赛就是帕尔马的比赛,帮助佛罗伦萨存活在意甲。

    紫百合仍然留在意甲,一些上诉减轻了处罚,但是最后国米还是有了一个不完整的头衔,他们成为了意甲冠军(原来仅仅是第三名),而且他们在转会市场就把潜在的竞争对手击败了 。

    当佛罗伦萨失去了冠军杯资格,同时失去了22,5百万欧元,米兰也因为欧冠的问题改变了转会策略导致竞争力下降,国米垄断了转会市场,偷来了维埃拉和伊布,以及在丑闻刚刚见诸报端的时候开始引进的格罗索。

    如果把电话门丑闻因素排除,那么国米还是只会呆在它应该呆的地方,阵容上没有维埃拉和伊布,在积分榜上也是在他的对手后面。虽然他们也可能赢,但是我们永远也不会知道。

    罗西宣布尤文降级,而且立刻给他的前老板授予冠军头衔之后,特隆切蒂决定感谢一下罗西,因此他增加了罗西每股的收益,感谢的手段是把他任命为意大利电信的副会长,意大利足协最后意识到(虽然已经晚了)会存在利益的冲突,所以正式的要求罗西辞去委员的职位。

    宣判之后(除了降到意乙,尤文图斯损失了250百万欧元),新的尤文图斯委托人尝试向拉齐奥法院提起上诉,但是被人勒索,最后选择了放弃。

    如果意大利足协要冻结所有意大利的比赛(包括国家队的比赛)上诉应该还可以成功。但冻结会使意大利失去竞争举办2008年欧洲杯的资格,因此尤文放弃了上诉,一切似乎都失去了。

    一个叫Cesare Ruperto 的法官(曾在听了罗西的判决之后呼吁上诉)声称2004-2005赛季是合法的。Sig. Serio 法院也说莱切对帕尔马的比赛(佛罗伦萨得益)并没有受到外界的干扰。

    然后他继续要求判决应该单独执行,不应受到媒体鼓噪和外界利益冲突的影响。Guido Rossi自己在事实面前也被逼证明尤文图斯、拉齐奥和米兰并没有违反公平竞赛,但是他强调这些队总会受到照顾,所以应该维持处罚结果。

    后来Ruperto管理下的CAF将判决减刑了(但已经不能颠覆),并表示这个赛季已经没有问题。他强调莫吉体系已经不复存在了,并制作了一份很简短的报道(CAF 的公告有74页)。Ruperto继续说没有比赛被改变(除了那场佛罗伦萨得利的比赛),而且也没有任何的体系存在,但依照其申述,和尤文图斯比赛时会有很多球员受到禁赛(83)。依照CAF的这100页左右的公告,所有那些控告被重新炒作。

    最近意大利的媒体对“电话门第二阶段”感兴趣的不多。主要的消息是那不勒斯调查人员说尤文图斯的高层人员在使用外国电信服务商的网络(瑞士SIM卡)进行所有的违规通话。

    后来因为调查人员无法翻阅瑞士的通话记录,没有确凿的违规通话纪录,没有实际的通话内容存在。现在的问题是,如果所有的"违规"电话记录只在瑞士的电话卡上,那么哪里来的一百万条电信的监听记录可以证明我们要降到意乙并且把冠军送给别人?

    我们也很想知道莫拉蒂、特隆切蒂是如何把这些违反宪法隐私权的非法录音电话送给媒体并把它公布出来的。这些实际的行为有可能面临侵犯隐私,诽谤人格,提供伪证,内幕交易和伪造证物的指控。

    所有的一切罪行都充满欺骗,裁判员德桑蒂斯曾经透露以前法吉亚幸托·法切蒂通常会在比赛之前给他电话,许多对他的请求的确是非法的。然而, 在更多的几个场合, 根据德桑蒂斯在对Antenna 3的电视采访时说, 他必须拒绝吉亚幸托·法切蒂的请求因为他们违反体育道德风尚而且涉嫌操纵比赛。

    这激怒了国米的球迷他们声称德桑蒂斯把责任归罪于一位已故的俱乐部主席因为他已不能再保护自己了。事实是他从来没有为自己辩护。他的电话通话记录被罗西主席摈弃在证据之外并且没有那个机构去调查这个记录。发生这些时法切蒂却还活着。这揭示出了一些裁判员和裁判指定人员存在令人震惊的默契。这个电话记录被人忽视了一年后就神秘地消失了。

    在意大利一个被称为"Giu le Mani Dalla Juve" (不插手尤文)的尤文图斯球迷组织一直坚定的从都灵到那布勒斯向新足协官员抗义示威,以通过各种手段最终揭示他们不为人知的丑陋。

    以Giancarlo Abete为首的《Federcalcio》报支持考虑再审去年的旧案,他的决定取决于公众的兴趣,我希望那些想看到司法事实的人在下面的评论栏留下你的意见。

    听到消息的尤文球迷们应该站立起来不再保持沉默。如果此案重审,尤文可能重新得到他们苦苦争取的意甲冠军荣誉。除此之外涉及于此的球队也能从中受益。我想借这次机会提醒读者去年被处罚的球队贡献了12名世界杯冠军球员,15名进入决赛比赛的球员以及欧足联评出的最佳球员,最佳后卫以及许多其他球员。随后世界足联还授予了卡纳瓦罗年度最佳球员的称号。所有的荣誉归功于他们在意甲联赛和06德国世界杯上优异的表现。

    所以说,难道这些球员像是需要裁判员照顾的人吗?答案是不言而喻的—错!持怀疑意见的人仍然坚信尤文成功的欺骗了足坛。但是我呼吁那些真正的球迷好好掂量真实的证据,而非相信有所偏颇的意大利媒体编造的所谓事实。

    如果我们决定做出正义的事我们就不能目光短浅,这个目标已经被不公平的信息所扭曲。正义应该不受外界影响,但是我们看到的是一股权势找到了他们的替罪羊,没诚意的掩盖了事实的真相。Andrea Casula Andrea Casula想要代表说英语的尤文球迷通过"Giu le Mani Dalla Juve"反映给意大利足协主席Giancarlo Abete 。

    Goal.com鼓励读者站在读者角度在评论中分享你们的看法以及你们的热情。有兴趣的读者请点击下面的绿色箭头联系我们。网址如下:http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=299625






原文如下:长吧
Looking 'Inter' Calciopoli – A Juve Fan Wants Justice

Goal.com brings you the next instalment of the Readers View section that intends to allow readers to share their opinions and own personal view of football.

It's been a long season for those lounging in Soccer's own personal purgatory. Many of us are still awaiting answers and justifications yet to be presented regarding perhaps the biggest soccer scandal in Italian history.

The question on many minds now has switched from who is guilty to a salient point: was cheating even really the scandal? Goal.com reader and Juventus fan Andrea Casula digs deep into the dirt to pull up a truth that is leaving many wriggling in their seats as he examines the role of Inter and shows that it isn’t just a black-and-white issue…

Note that this article represents the views of the reader-writer and not Goal.com's position in any way.



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It's been nearly 12 months since the first headlines hit Italy's most prominent pink sports paper regarding Juventus, Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, Inter (yes Inter) and the "cupola" that controlled Italian soccer's top flight. We all know what happened, though some are significantly more confused than others. We all know the result as well.

Few, however, know the why or the who behind them. It is with this in mind that I write. There is much that the public has been kept in the dark about and only through archives of articles nearly a year deep does the "cupola" finally reveal its ugly face. There are things we weren't supposed to find out, but passion and perseverance prevailed.



It is imperative that all be brought up to speed regarding this now shameful event. First we should identify key characters and clarify their roles in "Calciopoli". I don't intend to refresh anyone's memory as to who Moggi and Galliani are because these are now household names in any household that knows football.



Instead I'd rather identify the men behind the men – those shady denizens who wheel and deal backstage where the public aren’t welcome at all. The characters behind "Calciopoli" belong to three distinct groups, so let’s begin with a look into the extent of their mainly unseen influence.



The first group is Telecom Italia, Italy's prominent land phone line/Internet service provider which also owns TIM, its cellular counterpart advertised by Ronaldo Fenômeno. This company is chaired by a certain Mr. Tronchetti Provera.



Tronchetti is a lifelong Inter fan and a significant Inter shareholder. He and Telecom Italia are among Inter's most notable investors.  As a matter of fact, Tronchetti's tyre company has had its name proudly displayed on Inter's jersey for decades (Pirelli).



The second group pertains to the media. Here far too many stakeholders and writers are involved therefore it is best to group them by media affiliation. Newspapers like Corriere dello Sport, Contro Campo, Messagero, and la Gazzetta dello Sport, helped spread the "news" to the public regarding all the "facts" and hearsay that plagued last summer's scandal.



La Gazzetta dello Sport in particular (which has been sardonically nicknamed "La Gazzetta dell'Inter" in Italy, although evidently not by many Nerazzurri fans) is actually very heavily subsidized by…the Moratti family.



This takes us to Group three - Inter.  Internzionale FC and its delegates, owned and operated by the Moratti family, have a wide network of affiliates. Their links with the Tronchetti communications dynasty and their massive investments in both print and TV media (Telenova), allowed the Morattis to orchestrate what seems like a near-political coup over the course of two years.



How? Massimo Moratti convinced his long time investor to illegally record Telecom/TIM phone calls and hand them over to him. These recordings included people from rival delegates to referees, from Inter players to Inter delegates – over 100,000 recordings in all.



The Inter management intended to present these recordings to investigators and start a case against their rivals. These recordings were presented to magistrates in Turin, Rome, and Naples, to no avail.



All three magistrates responded to the recordings by indicating that no wrong doing was found and all accusations died on the vine.  Moratti's contingency plan was much more sinister. The recordings were to be handed over (in pieces) to the elements of the press that Inter had an investment in.



The result was a media frenzy which forced the FIGC to launch an investigation and suspend many of its delegates (now mostly reinstated), prompting only those not suspended (due to the fact that they were not implicated) to assume complete control of the investigation.



This manoeuvre brought Guido Rossi into the picture. Being among the few not implicated on the recordings, Guido became the commissioner of the investigation who not only controlled the proceedings but hand picked the "jury". Guido selected his colleagues and managed to conclude a year long sport tribunal in a mere three weeks. Of course he neglected to mention while at the helm of the FIGC, that he too is a major investor in Inter FC and also a former Inter delegate who proudly sat at Massimo Moratti's side during games just seasons ago.



The "investigation" brought forth much material. We all remember the Maseratti that was to be given as a gift for favours from Juventus (no identification number, model number, recipient, or even colour of the car was ever made evident). We remember the non-stop phone calls where no result was ever decided.



We remember the Italian Revenue Agency (Guardia della Finanza) entering Juventus headquarters and the home of Fabio Cannavaro looking for proof of illegal fund transfers. They found nothing – of course.



Do we all remember the phone conversations found where the late Giacinto Facchetti (then Inter General Director) requested specific referees from both Pairetto and Bergamo (referee designators)? In case some forgot, in a Sky interview Bergamo openly admitted that no delegate called him more than Facchetti.



In fact, Facchetti even dined in Bergamo's home on a number of occasions.  We also found out (by accident) that Inter falsified passports to maintain the illegal status of foreign players (never further investigated), we also found out that Inter participated in fraudulent accounting practices (also never further investigated).  In the end these details were never selected by Rossi as he deemed them to be "immaterial".



Less than a month later Inter had a Scudetto. Somehow Inter had the title two days before the investigation was over. When it was over, everyone but Inter got penalized. The most severe was Juventus' punishment. In the end the only proven fixed match was a Parma match that helped Fiorentina survive Serie A.



Even the Viola however remained in Serie A.  A few appeals took place which reduced the punishments but in the end Inter had a title and a half. Not only were they declared champions of Italy (having come in 3rd) but all potential threats were crippled first in the marketplace.

When Fiorentina lost out on the Champions League – and 22.5 million Euros – and Milan had to forego major trades and purchases in addition to their point deductions rendering them less competitive the game was changed. Inter experienced a near market monopoly stealing Vieira and Ibra for peanuts and were the last team standing who could purchase Fabio Grosso (the agreement came as the first headlines about the scandal hit the press).

Take "Calciopoli" away from the equation and Inter would have likely been where they always were, without Ibra, Vieira, and behind their rivals. Though they may have won, we'll never know.

After Guido Rossi's speedy demotion of Juventus and prompt coronation of his former employers, Tronchetti decided to thank him for their sudden increase in earnings per share by appointing Guido Vice President of Telecom Italia. FIGC finally came to their senses and recognized (only too late) that there may be a conflict of interest and formally asked Guido to step down as commissioner.  

Since the verdicts (which saw Juve lose 250 million Euros in addition to their Serie B punishment) the new Juventus delegates attempted an appeal at the Lazio Regional Tribunal (TAR) but were blackmailed into dropping the appeal.

FIGC threatened to freeze all Italian competition (including Azzurri duties) should the appeal take place. The freeze would have kept the national side from qualifying for Euro 2008. As a result Juve dropped the appeal and all seemed lost.

One judge (who listened to one appeal after the Rossi verdict) by the name of Cesare Ruperto of the CAF declared that the 2004/2005 season was legit. Sig. Serio of the Court of Appeal also said that no match fixing outside of the Lecce-Parma match (in favour of Fiorentina) had occurred.

He then went on to claim that the sentencing was due solely to mass media frenzy and conflict of interests. Guido Rossi himself admitted no foul play after failing to prove that Juventus, Lazio and Milan had cheated but he insisted that the teams found themselves in favorable positions and so maintained the punishments.

The CAF under Ruperto managed to reduce the sentences (but couldn't reverse them) and added that the season was subject to no wrong doing. He insisted that no Moggi system existed and that it was the invention of a little pink newspaper (pg 74 of the CAF declaration). Ruperto went on to say that no game (aside from one assisting Fiorentina) was altered and that no system of bookings existed either, allegedly ensuring that key players were suspended prior to Juve matches (Pg 83). According to the 100-plus page declaration by the CAF, all these accusations were fabricated and exploited.

Recently "Calciopoli 2" has hit the tabloids in Italy but has generated little steam. Basically the investigators in Naples have come forward indicating that Juventus' management used to use Foreign Service providers (Swiss SIM Cards) to conduct all the illegal conversations.

Since the investigators couldn't possibly record Swiss calls, no incriminating conversations actually exist. The question on many minds now is, if all the "incriminating" calls took place on Swiss cards that could not be monitored then what was on the 100,000 Telecom/TIM calls that could possibly justify demotion to Serie B and the title going to another team?

We are also curious as to how Moratti, Tronchetti, and the media could possibly get away with violating a constitutional right to privacy by illegally recording calls and then have them published. These entities could potentially be facing charges of invasion of privacy, defamation of character, fraudulent accounting, insider trading, and identity falsification.

To add to the already overflowing pot of offences, referee De Sanctis has come forward revealing that the late Giacinto Facchetti would call him regularly prior to matches. Many of his requests apparently were not strictly illegal. Nevertheless, on more than a few occasions, according to De Sanctis' televised interview on Antenna 3, he had to refuse Giaccinto's requests because of their unsportsmanlike nature and manipulative implications.

This has angered the Inter faithful who claim De Sanctis is accusing a deceased General Director because he can no longer defend himself. The truth is he never had to defend himself. His recorded phone conversations were discarded as evidence by Commissioner Rossi and as a result no one in the Inter camp was ever investigated. This occurred while Facchetti was very much alive. This revelation came as no shock since other referees and referee designers have coinciding stories. It is a year-old accusation backed by recorded phone calls that has mysteriously gone ignored.

As a result many fan-based demonstrations from Turin to Naples have taken place and organizations have been created to fight on Juventus' behalf. One association in Italy called "Giu le Mani Dalla Juve" (Hands Off Juve) has finally broken through to the new FIGC management.   

The Federcalcio headed by Giancarlo Abete agreed to consider the possibility of reopening the now year-old case. His decision depends on public interest and therefore I encourage all fans who want to see actual justice served to please leave a comment in the comments box below.

Now Juve fans who won’t stand for more are finally being heard. If this case is reopened through Giancarlo Abete Juve could regain the Scudetti they fought so hard for. In addition, all other affected teams would also benefit from financial restitution if the case is reopened. I would like to take this opportunity to remind readers that last year's punished squads produced 12 World Cup Champions, 15 World Cup Finalists, and UEFA honours for best goalkeeper, best defender, and best all-around player. Later even FIFA recognized Fabio Cannavaro as Player of the Year. All awards were attributed to their performances in Serie A as well as Germany '06.

So, do these players sound like they need referee assistance? The answer is self-evident – no.  Sceptics may still be convinced that Juventus cheated to be successful, but I urge all that all real football fans weigh up the real evidence that rarely makes the biased Italian media.

If we are talking about doing justice we can’t stop short of our target, but this target has been warped by unbalanced information.  Justice should be blind to influences, but we can see that the powers that be have chosen their scapegoats and given pardons with no real regard for an overall truth.

Andrea Casula  

Andrea Casula would like to forward suitable responses to Giancarlo Abete through "Giu le Mani Dalla Juve" on behalf of Juventus' English-speaking fan base.

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PS:这段话并不针对坛子上的国际球迷,只是想说出来混迟早要还的.5年还是10年谁也不知道,但是时间越长利息就越多.祝国际好运为你们的冠军高兴
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发表于 2007-5-20 11:39 | 显示全部楼层
出来混 迟早要还。
米错,这是真理,但最后的审判却是尤文降入了乙级![s:15]  上面转来的一面之词没有用。法律是公正的

恭喜尤文回到悠久的意甲,国米真正的对手终于出现了。
我很佩服没有离开的那几个人:布冯、内德维德、皮埃罗、卡莫拉内西还有许多回归的小将。。。。
是他们的存在才保留了尤文的骨架,得以在扣那么多分的情况下仍顺利拿到乙级冠军。

PS:LZ,看来新的赛季 我俩有的讨论了  
在一种和平又互进的基础上  继续爱我们的意甲 [s:9]

再PS:还会出现我喜欢的热那亚、那不勒斯吗? 意大利当年的老球队都终于有希望聚首在一起了,当然,前提帕尔玛也不许降级,奋进!


附:意乙第39轮积分榜(截止5月20日 全季共42轮)
           本赛季总积分榜 总榜 主场成绩 客场成绩
          。积分 赛 胜 平 负 得 失 诤 赛 胜 平 负 得 失 赛 胜 平 负 得 失
01 祖雲達斯. 82 39 27 10 2 79 26 53 19 16 3 0 48 11 20 11 7 2 31 15
02 熱拿亞..  74 39 22 8 9 65 43 22 19 15 3 1 38 15 20 7 5 8 27 28
03 那不勒斯. 72 39 19 15 5 48 28 20 20 11 9 0 27 12 19 8 6 5 21 16
04 里米尼..  63 39 16 15 8 52 34 18 19 10 8 1 25 11 20 6 7 7 27 23
05 曼托瓦..  61 39 14 19 6 45 32 13 20 11 7 2 26 13 19 3 12 4 19 19
06 皮亞琴察. 61 39 18 7 14 52 47 5 19 13 2 4 37 21 20 5 5 10 15 26
07 博洛尼亞. 58 39 16 10 13 44 39 5 20 11 4 5 26 17 19 5 6 8 18 22
08 布雷西亞. 58 39 16 10 13 41 40 1 19 9 7 3 20 13 20 7 3 10 21 27
09 艾賓奴列夫53 39 11 20 8 42 38 4 19 6 12 1 21 14 20 5 8 7 21 24
10 萊切....   52 39 15 7 17 50 51 -1 19 10 3 6 30 21 20 5 4 11 20 30
11 切辛納..  49 39 12 13 14 49 59 -10 20 8 9 3 27 22 19 4 4 11 22 37
12 維琴察..  47 39 11 14 14 40 38 2 20 7 6 7 24 20 19 4 8 7 16 18
13 泰列維素. 46 39 10 16 13 40 42 -2 19 7 8 4 23 16 20 3 8 9 17 26
14 泰利斯天拿46 39 11 14 14 35 45 -10 20 8 5 7 21 19 19 3 9 7 14 26
15 巴里...    44 39 10 14 15 34 40 -6 20 5 9 6 19 18 19 5 5 9 15 22
16 弗洛辛諾內44 39 10 14 15 38 50 -12 20 8 7 5 23 20 19 2 7 10 15 30
17 士比西亞. 43 39 10 13 16 45 55 -10 20 6 7 7 29 29 19 4 6 9 16 26
18 摩德納..  42 39 10 12 17 35 45 -10 19 8 6 5 23 16 20 2 6 12 12 29
19 維羅納..  42 39 10 12 17 28 41 -13 19 5 7 7 16 19 20 5 5 10 12 22
20 阿雷素..  38 39 10 14 15 37 45 -8 20 7 7 6 24 20 19 3 7 9 13 25
21 克羅托內. 32 39 7 11 21 33 61 -28 19 4 6 9 16 27 20 3 5 12 17 34
22 比斯卡拉. 24 39 5 10 24 34 67 -33 20 4 4 12 16 33 19 1 6 12 18 34
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:07 | 显示全部楼层
那些乙级球队和尤文完全不是一个档次的 就当是去乙级联赛调研吧
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-5-20 12:15 | 显示全部楼层
^_^法律的公正是没有绝对的.电话门唯一的受益者就是老莫,所以那个什么就................. [s:11]
PS:明年的意甲不属于尤文,5年之后我们会回来的(第三王朝已经过去,第四王朝还会远吗)
再PS:拜托国际.在冠军联赛上拿出点意甲冠军的样子来
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:24 | 显示全部楼层
过去的事就让他过去  楼主还是不要再提  
尤文回归 意甲又好看了  毕竟少了女人还是不行啊
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:24 | 显示全部楼层
天使兄弟,国米连续两个赛季在最后的时刻90分钟内也没有输掉比赛  客观的原因我也不想多说

PS:你不认为尤文下赛季会崛起么?还要等5年? 这一点你好象不太自信,
   我倒是觉得国米建队百年的年头联赛不会那么容易了 [s:14]   我们的路还很远 [s:15]

看相互夏季的购买情况和球队的态度了
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:30 | 显示全部楼层
尤文回归,AC,佛罗没有再扣分,下赛季意甲恢复正常的竞争,如果国米还能拿联赛冠军才能让人心服口服,这赛季的冠军水分太大了 [s:15]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-5-20 12:36 | 显示全部楼层
引用第6楼服港想韩2007-05-20 12:24发表的:
天使兄弟,国米连续两个赛季在最后的时刻90分钟内也没有输掉比赛  客观的原因我也不想多说

PS:你不认为尤文下赛季会崛起么?还要等5年? 这一点你好象不太自信,
   我倒是觉得国米建队百年的年头联赛不会那么容易了 [s:14]   我们的路还很远 [s:15]

.......
尤文从他建队的历史轨迹来看,每一个王朝中间都有一个较长时间的低迷期(这次是人为打断的,否则应该还有几年的辉煌期).这次事件尤文的损失是无法估量的,虽然我们收获了许多希望之星但是球队本来优秀的中生代球员损失过多.今年的战绩如何就看转会市场的结果了.我对新赛季尤文的战绩估计在6名左右,毕竟年轻人过多的球队战绩起伏很大.新赛季的意甲还是看国际,AC和罗马
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:38 | 显示全部楼层
冠军就是冠军  即使把分都加上   国米还是冠军   有本事球场上见真功夫   人家夺冠不支持也不要诋毁 [s:23]  [s:23]
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:48 | 显示全部楼层
恩 没错,最努力的球队就要受到所有人的尊重  正如尤文也获得了乙级的冠军一样 我也很尊重

  下赛季   真的很期待 非常期待  严重期待!! [s:15]
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:50 | 显示全部楼层
意甲不太看,不过满喜欢A米的```
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
作为juven球迷,对于电话门的看法就是尤文和米兰是政治斗争的牺牲品,正如之前的国米和罗马

风水轮流转,一朝天子一朝臣,单纯的从竞技角度来说,新赛季的国米有底气但是仍然欠缺霸气,罗马是南方球队中唯一有可能冲击冠军的,米兰在平稳过渡后依然是大热门,尤文只要在转会上做的好一点,回归冠军杯是绝对有可能的

冠军之争还是看米兰双雄.......
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:54 | 显示全部楼层
我们互相祝福吧 激烈的竞争是好事 意大利俱乐部要重新站在欧洲之颠 [s:9]  [s:15]
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:55 | 显示全部楼层
以前我上小学的时候是喜欢尤文的,

那时候我爸给我买了一套尤文的球衣,

我宝贝的不行。。 [s:10]
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
意大利的欧联积分排在英格兰之下是我不能容忍的......
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发表于 2007-5-20 12:59 | 显示全部楼层
我们还要赶超西班牙! 大明星的流失,西甲的金钱和泡沫时代也将一去不复返
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发表于 2007-5-20 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
足球不太看,也不太关心``
哎``
最喜欢曼联! [s:15]  [s:15]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-5-20 13:10 | 显示全部楼层
引用第16楼服港想韩2007-05-20 12:59发表的:
我们还要赶超西班牙! 大明星的流失,西甲的金钱和泡沫时代也将一去不复返
西甲俱乐部的体制与欧洲的其他俱乐部不同,所以他们花的钱都转成了一笔笔银行坏帐.这个估计意甲英超怎么也比不过他们
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发表于 2007-5-20 13:17 | 显示全部楼层
钱这个东西很难说,西甲的球会都是会员制,盈利了也得花出去,而且税率又低
意甲的球队基本都是投资工具,赚了的一部分还要给母公司,上市的话股东还会分红.....
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